Ellen Gustafson: Obesity + hunger = 1 global food issue

Ellen Gustafson: Obesity + hunger = 1 global food issue


I’m Ellen and I’m totally
obsessed with food. But I didn’t start out obsessed with food. I started out obsessed
with global security policy, because I lived in New York during 9/11
and it was a very relevant thing. I got from global security policy to food because I realized when I’m hungry,
I’m really pissed off, and I’m assuming
the rest of the world is too. Especially if you and your kids are hungry
and your neighbor’s kids are hungry and your whole neighborhood is hungry. And actually, it looks like
the areas of the world that are hungry are also the areas of the world
that are pretty insecure. So I took a job at the United Nations
World Food Programme as a way to try to address
these security issues through food security issues. There, I came across what I think
is the most brilliant of their programs. It’s called School Feeding
and it’s a really simple idea to get in the middle
of the cycle of poverty and hunger that continues for a lot of people
around the world, and stop it. A free school meal gets kids into school, which is education,
the first step out of poverty, but it also gives them the micronutrients
and the macronutrients they need to develop mentally and physically. While I was working at the UN,
I met this girl. Her name is Lauren Bush. And she had this really awesome idea
to sell the bag, called the “Feed Bag” — which is really beautifully ironic
because you can strap on the Feed Bag. But each bag we’d sell would provide a year’s worth
of school meals for one kid. It’s so simple, and we thought, OK, it costs between 20 and 50 bucks
to provide school feeding for a year. We could sell these bags
and raise a ton of money and awareness for the World Food Programme. But at the UN,
sometimes things move slowly and they basically said no. And we thought, this is such a good idea,
it’s going to raise so much money. So we said screw it,
we’ll start our own company, which we did, three years ago. That was my first dream,
to start this company called FEED, and here’s a screenshot of our website. We did a bag for Haiti
just a month after the earthquake to provide school meals for kids in Haiti. So FEED’s doing great. We’ve so far provided 55 million meals
to kids around the world by selling now 550,000 bags,
a ton of bags, a lot of bags. All this time you’re really — hunger is a hard thing to think about, because what we think about is eating. I think about eating a lot
and I really love it. And the thing that’s strange
about international hunger and talking about international issues is that most people want to know: “What are you doing for America’s kids?” There’s definitely hunger in America: 49 million people
and almost 16.7 million children. I mean that’s pretty dramatic
for our own country. Hunger definitely means
something different in America than it does internationally, but it’s incredibly important
to address hunger in our own country. But the bigger problem
that we all know about is obesity, and it’s dramatic. The other thing that’s dramatic is that both hunger and obesity
have really risen in the last 30 years. Unfortunately, obesity’s
not only an American problem. It’s actually been spreading
all around the world and mainly through our kind
of food systems that we’re exporting. The numbers are pretty crazy. There’s a billion people
obese or overweight and a billion people hungry. So those seem like
two bifurcated problems, but I kind of started
to think about, you know, what is obesity and hunger? What are both those things about? Well, they’re both about food. And when you think about food, the underpinning of food in both cases
is potentially problematic agriculture. And agriculture is where food comes from. Agriculture in America’s very interesting. It’s very consolidated and the foods that are produced
lead to the foods that we eat. The foods that are produced are,
more or less, corn, soy and wheat. And that’s three-quarters
of the food that we’re eating: processed foods and fast foods. Unfortunately, in our agricultural system, we haven’t done a good job
in the last three decades of exporting those technologies
around the world. So African agriculture, which is the place
of most hunger in the world, has actually fallen precipitously
as hunger has risen. So somehow we’re not making the connect between exporting
a good agricultural system that will help feed people
all around the world. Who is farming?
That’s what I was wondering. So I went and stood
on a big grain bin in the Midwest, and that really didn’t help me
understand farming, but I think it’s a really cool picture. And the reality is
that between farmers in America — who actually, quite frankly,
when I spend time in the Midwest, are pretty large in general. And their farms are also large. But farmers in the rest of the world
are actually quite skinny, and that’s because they’re starving. Most hungry people in the world
are subsistence farmers. And most of those people are women — which is a totally other topic
that I won’t get on right now, but I’d love to do
the feminist thing at some point. I think it’s really interesting to look
at agriculture from these two sides. There’s this large, consolidated farming
that’s led to what we eat in America, and it’s really been since around 1980,
after the oil crisis, when, you know — mass consolidation, mass exodus of small farmers
in this country. And then in the same time period, we’ve kind of left Africa’s farmers
to do their own thing. Unfortunately, what is farmed
ends up as what we eat. And in America, a lot of what we eat
has led to obesity and has led to a real change in sort of what our diet is,
in the last 30 years. It’s crazy. A fifth of kids under two drinks soda. Hello! You don’t put soda in bottles. But people do, because it’s so cheap, and so our whole food system
in the last 30 years has really shifted. I mean, you know,
it’s not just in our own country, but really we’re exporting
the system around the world, and when you look at the data
of least developed countries — especially in cities,
which are growing really rapidly — people are eating
American processed foods. And in one generation,
they’re going from hunger and all of the detrimental
health effects of hunger to obesity and things like diabetes
and heart disease in one generation. So the problematic food system
is affecting both hunger and obesity. Not to beat a dead horse,
but this is a global food system where there’s a billion people hungry
and a billion people obese. I think that’s the only way to look at it. And instead of taking these two things as bifurcated problems
that are very separate, it’s really important
to look at them as one system. We get a lot of our food
from all around the world and people from all around the world
are importing our food system, so it’s incredibly relevant
to start a new way of looking at it. I’ve learned —
and the technology people here, which I’m totally not one of — but apparently, it really takes 30 years for a lot of technologies
to become really endemic to us, like the mouse
and the Internet and Windows. You know, there’s 30-year cycles. I think 2010 can be
a really interesting year because it is the end
of the 30-year cycle, and it’s the birthday
of the global food system. That’s the first birthday
I want to talk about. If we really think that this is something
that’s happened in the last 30 years, there’s hope in that. It’s the 30th anniversary of GMO crops and the Big Gulp, Chicken McNuggets,
high-fructose corn syrup, the farm crisis in America and the change in how we’ve addressed
agriculture internationally. So there’s a lot of reasons
to take this 30-year time period as sort of the creation
of this new food system. I’m not the only one who’s obsessed
with this whole 30-year thing. The icons like Michael Pollan
and Jamie Oliver in his TED Prize wish both addressed this last
three-decade time period as incredibly relevant
for food system change. Well, I really care about 1980 because it’s also the 30th
anniversary of me this year. And so in my lifetime, a lot of what’s happened in the world — and being a person obsessed with food — a lot of this has really changed. So my second dream is that I think
we can look to the next 30 years as a time to change the food system again. And we know what’s happened in the past, so if we start now
and we look at technologies and improvements
to the food system long-term, we might be able
to recreate the food system so when I give my next talk
and I’m 60 years old, I’ll be able to say
that it’s been a success. So I’m announcing today
the start of a new organization, or a new fund within the FEED Foundation,
called the 30 Project. And the 30 Project is really focused on these long-term ideas
for food system change. And I think by aligning international
advocates that are addressing hunger and domestic advocates
that are addressing obesity, we might actually look
for long-term solutions that will make the food system
better for everyone. We all tend to think
that these systems are quite different and people argue whether or not
organic can feed the world, but if we take a 30-year view,
there’s more hope in collaborative ideas. So I’m hoping that by connecting
really disparate organizations like the ONE campaign and Slow Food, which don’t seem right now
to have much in common, we can talk about holistic,
long-term, systemic solutions that will improve food for everyone. Some ideas I’ve had is like,
look, the reality is — kids in the South Bronx
need apples and carrots and so do kids in Botswana. And how are we going
to get those kids those nutritious foods? Another thing that’s become incredibly
global is production of meat and fish. Understanding how to produce protein in a way that’s healthy
for the environment and healthy for people will be incredibly important
to address things like climate change and how we use petrochemical fertilizers. And, you know, these are
really relevant topics that are long-term and important for both people in Africa
who are small farmers and people in America
who are farmers and eaters. And I also think that thinking
about processed foods in a new way, where we actually
price the negative externalities like petrochemicals
and like fertilizer runoff into the price of a bag of chips — Well, if that bag of chips then becomes
inherently more expensive than an apple, then maybe it’s time for a different sense
of personal responsibility in food choice because the choices are actually choices instead of three-quarters of the products
being made just from corn, soy and wheat. The 30Project.org is launched and I’ve gathered a coalition
of a few organizations to start. And it’ll be growing
over the next few months. But I really hope
that you will all think of ways that you can look long-term
at things like the food system and make change. (Applause)

100 thoughts on “Ellen Gustafson: Obesity + hunger = 1 global food issue

  1. @RealFreeMoneyOnline I actually thought she explained quite well the fact that it is not the eating habits of the people causing most of the obesity in the developed world rather the produce itself and the fact that giant corporations are raping society. A great explanation of this can be found in the documentary "Food Inc." which shows where people in the US (and everywhere they export to) get their food.

  2. @GraphitePen It's never going to happen. People have been talking this crap for decades, and the situation has only gotten steadily worse The fecundity of the lowest classes has always outstripped the ability of mankind at large to accommodate them, and it always will do so. Malthus was right. The global social order will ultimately collapse, the masses will overrun the land like locusts, resulting in global war, famine and pestilence, and a general die off. Have a nice day.

  3. @mranenome You're right, and I notice a rather stupid redundancy in what I wrote earlier. What I had intended was more along the lines of, To overcome the problem of overpopulation there is a need not just to lower the rate of growth but to reverse it (for the point at which we find ourselves). But the real question, I think, is can human society sustain itself with no growth? In a world where even communist societies are capitalists, this requires a complete overhaul of the world's economy.

  4. This reminds me of my high school days when we had to present random topics as an assignment…I expect better from an adult presenting at TED.

  5. As is sadly typical of TED, she's so intent on seeming clever by tying a million things with a vague "we can do it!" that she misses any actual understanding.

    It's NOT the same problem. People are starving because they lack access to the "evil corporate" system that has SAVED the rest of us from starvation. It provides us with exactly what we want. The reason people are obese is because we don't want what's healthy. (We've evolved to seek calorically dense foods.) Totally different problem.

  6. @mranenome Yes Malthus was a famous anti-capitalist. And was noteworthy for being demonstrably wrong even in his day. Much moreso now.

    In the same essay that coined "dismal science," Malthus stated that black people are better off as slaves because they're not smart enough to care for themselves. I strongly suggest you learn more about what he actually said before you go around endorsing him. Thomas Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he'll be more wrong 100 years from now.

  7. @notme222 I should correct myself – that "evil corporate" sarcasm was a petty response to a previous comment. It's not what I meant and I shouldn't have said it. I'm pro-market not pro-corp, and therefore no friend to a subsidy-taking corporation. It's the market system I should properly credit for building our agriculture capacity, and only to the extent that corporations follow that do they have value.

  8. @notme222 The essay that coined "dismal science," in which various derogatory things are said about black people, was written by Thomas Carlyle, not Thomas Robert Malthus. Malthus isn't mentioned or quoted in it. I figure you're trolling, but anyone interested should look it up.

  9. @GraphitePen Yeah that's exactly the problem right there. I can't imagine how people will ever grapple with that. Maybe they'll figure out a way, that would be great.

  10. @zeb120 I'm gonna guess you're about 12 years old if that, there's no way an adult would act like such a tit. This women is trying to fix the global problem of obesity and hunger. She's smarter than you for sure, don't be angry just because you couldn't understand her big words. If there is a god he would have made sure you were never even born. So basically, STFU, GTFO, and grow up; you're clogging up TED with your verbal diarrhoea .

  11. Now THATS an idea worth sharing.
    Makes we wanna go eat an apple, or carrot.
    Wouldn't it be great if we could balance the world with totalitarian approaches instead of running in trivial circles.

  12. @MagicianOnAMission So, true … yet instead of eating healthier, products are often packed with artificial potentially dangerous sweeteners in an effort to offset the other calories packed into all the fatty foods we eat! It's amazing how filling and satisfying a whole grain naturally sweetened bread or muffin can be … yet, given a choice, most Americans (people) would prefer a Ding-Dong or two Twinkies or two Reese's Peanut Butter Cups or a vending machine package of six Oreos.

  13. @Phyrexious no, when food and vaccines proliferate in a society, their birth rate plummets to 2 or less children per family. Many 'developed' nations are shrinking in population, the reason why it still looks like their population increases is due to immigration into the country from outside. One of the principle reasons why organizations like the Gates put so much stake in vaccines and extending life expectancy is because it simultaneously manifests a population control on the planet.

  14. What about SE asia where poverty levels have dropped dramatically from 30 years ago? If you want to combat hunger, look at what economic models well fed countries are moving to or have been using. I can't help but be cynical about advocacy groups that ignore, or worse yet, shun free market systems. The west didn't outgrow centuries of sustenance farming by relying on advocacy groups.
    You want to feed Haiti? Teach the people to demand a western-style free market economy.

  15. Ellen Gustafson, there are too many people full stop. hungry or fat, both are a drain on the planet in large numbers. We are facing an apocolypse unless those civil liberty lunatics face facts. A one/two child policy is a small price to pay compared to the potential consequences. EASTER ISLAND!!! look at the planet earth and our planet is an island too in the vastness of the cosmic ocean. The same will happen on a global scale and people will start eating each other.

  16. @mranenome Shoot, you're right. I conflated the names. (I'd be more appreciative of the correction if you hadn't resorted to calling "troll!" when someone disagrees with you.)

    Nevertheless, Carlyle was undoubtedly Malthusian, and Malthus (I'm correct this time) clearly endorsed central government control and population control specifically for poor people, making Carlyle's view not a stretch. But they are different and you could be a Malthusian without supporting Carlyle, fair enough.

  17. Isn't it a bit condescending to tinker in African affairs? The west didn't require an external agency to reach agricultural surplus, so why does Africa require this? Doesn't it just tell Africa to wait for the wise west to fix their problems for them?

  18. @Phyrexious Actually, as women continue to gain equality with men in education (i.e. how to use the condom) and empowerment (the power to say "no condom, no sex"), birth rates drop very quickly. That's not theoretical. It's going on right now. Look at gapminder if you doubt. I suspect the global population will eventually level off, maybe in 50 years or so, and begin to decline.

    You're right about feeding people, though. The underlying problem is poverty, not calories.

  19. @rbairos1 No, the West didn't do it with advocacy groups. We did it (after Rome fell) first with feudalism and it's gradual improvements in technology, and then with colonialism because why do it yourself when you can make other people do it for you at gunpoint? But others did it first, like the Chinese, the Indians, the Persians…

    Anyway, who said anything about free markets?

  20. @shiftyjake If you think Colonialism is an important part of agricultural independence in Western nations, explain most of Europe and Canada, not to mention how most colonies were dropped as they were a net economic drain. Secondly, China and India had severe levels of poverty up until recent times. Im not exactly sure which world history you're referring to?

  21. This is going to sound cruel, but I just keep thinking "malthus" during this entire talk.
    Let the fat people die and let the starving people die, too many people in this world already.

  22. The only reason the global food system is broken is because that's what people want. People don't want carrots, they want cheeseburgers. It's biology. The huge agra companies partially exist because there is such a demand for extremely cheap meat and dairy. They might be the pusher, but we're definitely the users. There is a local market once a week in my town, and many people go. But when I see the amount of people in the wendys drivethrough, it far outpaces the farmers market

  23. I mean hell if you gave out vegetables for free McDonalds would still make a profit. Carrots and peas don't satisfy our natural hunger drive like a fat juicy steak. Fat, salt, sugar, the magical combination. Might as well be natural cocaine. Regardless, there's very little we can do. We can't change our biology. We might as well just make everyone fat and the people that are smart enough to eat healthy will survive. Everyone else gets an early death.

  24. @Masterphan you mean Powerthirst.
    watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs

    but hey whatever, Brawndo is still funny even though it's a knockoff

  25. @Icix1 You're right. That was a cold, cruel remark and I hope nobody ever thinks that you're such an inconvenience that you should die. Humans evolved compassion for a reason, you know.

  26. @rbairos1 I understood you to be talking about moving away from subsistence agriculture to complex trade economies. I'm talking about the history where many cultures around the world developed into wealthy, and powerful civilizations before the West did. China, India and so on, were very wealthy and powerful states in different periods of history, developing concepts like coinage, writing, and social service before the Romans installed their indoor plumbing.

  27. @shiftyjake
    Except you know nothing about evolution. Compassion was a side effect of our evolutionary process, not some end goal or specific reason. We learned how to kill far better than anything else

  28. @roidroid When someone decided to market Idiocracy's Brawndo drink in real life, Picnicface was commissioned to make the ads for it in the same style as their Powerthirst video.

  29. Who's the ditz?
    I judges her by the way she spoke but as the talked went on i realized how brilliant she is. I hope I stop judging people by their cover.
    her ambition is inspiring!

  30. @Phyrexious The global food production per capita has been increasing for several decades now. I think the theory of 'what the land can sustain' has much blood on its hands itself.

  31. @Icix1Nah, crocodiles know how to kill better than anything else. We're good at changing things to suit what we see as our best interest, often ruthlessly. The reason compassion, a complex emotion that can easily become a double-edged sword, evolved is that curing the sick and wounded keeps them from dying, which is good for pack animals w/o natural weapons or defenses and whose females rarely give birth to more than one baby a yr. Also linked to reciprocity, which other animals use, too.

  32. @rbairos1 … but I guess my main point was that none of those other civilizations did it with capitalism (not even ours) and being dogmatic about it may blind us to other systems (or blended systems) that work better in different settings and with different problems and in conjunction with other cultures' values.

  33. @shiftyjake
    Don't think of killing power in terms of sheer strength, but how often and the reasons. We are better killers than crocodiles because we have such a xenophobic drive. Crocodiles cannot wipe out entire species or commit genocidal acts. Also, you kinda proved my point. Compassion is a selfish emotion, because in the end it's about self preservation. You help people because you actually want to look out for yourself down the road so you could pass down your genes.

  34. @Phyrexious Sustainable agriculture is completely possible without the processed junk you buy in supermarkets. Just get rid of all the Big Agriculture subsidies so they don't produce so much junk. Get rid of biofuels because they do more damage to the environment than benefit, and they drive up food prices. Get rid of sugar tariffs that encourage worse alternatives like Aspertame and high fructose corn syrup.

  35. @Icix1 Ah, syntax difficulty. I meant "X kills better than it does anything else", not "X kills better than other things can". Anyway, humans aren't the only ones that have thoughtlessly driven whole species to extinction, we've just been very efficient at it lately. And ants try to genocidally eliminate other colonies all the time. The selfishness of compassion is debatable and irrelevant. Compassion is good for the group, but not necessarily for the individual.

  36. @Icix1 But you do raise an interesting point about selfishness. Can instinctual responses be selfish? If that's the case, it would be hard to claim that anything is *not* selfish b/c evolution pushes us to be instinctually "selfish" for the species. If that's so, then the label is meaningless, and there's no point bringing it up. But "selfish" usually means when one puts oneself above the good of others, so that if you act for the good of the group, you are not selfish.

  37. @Phyrexious you should know your numbers before making spurious comments like that …

    watch Hans Rosling's talk on … (drum roll please) … global population growth.
    youtube(dot)com/watch?v=fTznEIZRkLg

  38. @shiftyjake Oh I see I misinterpreted what you meant. You bring up a good point and I would say that while compassion can be for good, this is a byproduct of an inherently selfish act. Compassion can be just as bad for the group as it can be good. Giving first aid to a serial killer, for example. I think compassion is a evolutionary technique of hedging bets. You hope whoever you're helping will help you pass on your genes and not kill you. It doesn't make sense to kill EVERYONE of your species.

  39. @Icix1 Like I said, if all acts are selfish b/c they *might eventually* benefit you, then the word means nothing. When most people say "selfish" they mean shortsightedly and/or unthinkingly putting your own interests above those of others. Compassion forces you to think about others' experiences, wants and needs and is therefore not selfish. When you experience compassion, you remove yourself from the "self" into the group. "Groupish", maybe. Selfish? No.

  40. @Icix1 The danger of compassion isn't the serial killer. They are extremely rare. (Btw, most serial killers experienced a marked lack of compassion in their formative childhood years.) The danger is that you will "waste" hard-won food and effort on someone who never recovers, which is still the problem we face right now. It's also not about *your* genes, but the genes of the entire population. Evolution deals in populations, not individuals.

  41. @Phyrexious Well I don’t think "the land" is the core of the problem per se; we are not just limited by natural recourses but much more directly by what we can produce with those resources and how efficiently we utilize them. The curious thing about our species is that as we grow bigger we grow more prosperous. This is because we have the ability to trade and therefore specialize. I would encourage you to watch the following video on this channel.
    Matt Ridley: When ideas have sex

  42. @Phyrexious You should watch Han Rosling's TED talks on how lowering infant mortality keeps population stable. Nutrition is a key component towards making that happen.

  43. @rbairos1 Lay off the Rand and make sure you read your Hayek before asking for a quick fix. Effective free markets require time to build up the habits and values that make them possible. Among those habits are advocacy groups, charities, and religious groups that help to act as non-government safety security nets.

  44. @hasatum Who's asking for a quick fix? How many decades have many African nations insisted on anti-capitalist regimes? How many billions of dollars have been spent *yearly* maintaining such systems? How many sweeping reforms have been recently passed that would be considered outright racist in South Africa, Zimbabwe and other nations? You think demanding rule of law, non-race based legislation, and enforcement of decentralized markets is radical or untested?

  45. @rbairos1 Perhaps it was unintentional, but I think you did when you suggested that people demand their government give them a free market. Free markets cannot be given. They are forged out of long toil of the people. They rely on learned responsibility, accountability, and innovation that are all eroded under a life without freedom. I think you are right, however, to suggest that they insist on rule of law and I assume that is what you meant by enforcement of markets.

  46. @hasatum Its my understanding a life of relative social freedom is synonymous with a life of relative economic freedom, and strong rule of law protecting them. I think we're in agreement on many points. Cheers.

  47. @xxgigphasexx Haiti isn't the "motor" of western society. Its output is relatively non-existent to North American society. The countries North American countries most rely on are the ones with the largest economies. And those, inevitably are the ones that liberalize their markets and adopt western style of economics. Rich countries want rich neighbors. The "Youre rich cuz we're poor" argument falls apart under close scrutiny.

  48. @xxgigphasexx A free market without money is like a language with a vocabulary. Money is simply a unit of trade. What is your concept of a free market without money?? And yes Ive seen 'The Corporation'. It hilights what happens when the free market is *removed* from a society. Government corporatism is not the free market, its the opposite. You need to understand these basic terms if we are to communicate.

  49. @xxgigphasexx You're being very naive (or worse yet) totalitarian if you believe 'trade' is something to be avoided. And yes, in reply to your earlier comment: The free market has very little to do with corporations / government involvement. To be clear: The 'free' in 'free market' refers to freedom from government regulation (ie coercion). A corporation is a *government* created and protected entity. Understand?

  50. @xxgigphasexx You claim hunger is getting worse? Worse than what, yesterday? Global hunger has been declining for decades. And no, technology will not cause an egalitarian society, as people will always innovate that new technology to create even more desirable products and services they will trade with others.

  51. @xxgigphasexx It seems brevity is not your strong point, unlike arrogance. Just because I don't accept your dystopian vision whose ultimate goal is ultimately totalitarian egalitarianism is no reason to get hostile. And yes Ive researched 'resource based economy' and other futurian topics extensively, so your attempt to bully me into accepting your enlightened conclusions with insults is quite ironic. Cheers.

  52. @xxgigphasexx If I am like talking to a religious fanatic, than what of you? You speak of a new coming era in which such fundamental aspects of free interaction such as trade will be removed!? I do understand 'Resource Based Economy'. Its Marxist philosophy in which resources are the currency. Its a highly flawed system that basically does much hand waving around "technology" to avoid answering simple questions. Nano assemblers, genetic engineering, etc, etc are all produced (cont)

  53. (cont) on a free market as well, with the added benefit of not removing incentives. What are you offering? We need more housing, so everyone build housing, until such time as the nano-bots will build them for us? That answers nothing. Trade will become obsolete if and only if we become identical beings, internally and externally. You have completely hijacked any future technology as somehow produced soley by the Venus project. Sorry, thats simplly wrong. Im happy to discuss this at length.

  54. @xxgigphasexx LatinAmerica is a culture of slave like citizens not because of an overabundance of free market principles, but a lack thereof. Government, not to mention large, corrupted, government It's the antithesis of any free market.
    South America has shunned free market principles for decades through populist appeals to the masses. Things have resulted exactly as expected.

  55. Seriously xxigphasexx. TVP is showcased in a sequel to the universally discredited Zeitgeist film which blends fact + fiction with less regard than a Michael Moore film. What does Quantum Mechanics have to do with political systems? Throwing scientific concepts such as QM around like the psychics doesn't strengthen Resource Based economic theory or TVP one iota. Who controls resource allocation in your utopia?

  56. @xxgigphasexx Is your only method of promoting your technocratic communist utopia, is to throw out a smorgasborg of scientific jargon in some silly attempt to intimidate its critics? You have no idea what my educational background is, so I wont play into your silly ad hominens. Its quite tiring really. You want to talk about the specifics of a resource based economy or you just want to produce a laundry list of irrelevant academic topics?

  57. @xxgigphasexx Heres some more topics for you to pretend directly support TVP: non-planar geometry, advanced heat flow analysis, micro gravity waves, non deterministic computing. Etc. etc. Its fun pretending to be an expert on so many subjects isnt it?

  58. @xxgigphasexx The most annoying part of this exchange is how you keep writing me off as some uneducated caveman stuck in the past against technological progress, simply because I don't hold much (any) credibility to Resource Based Economy / The Venus Project / Zeitgest. Of course technology + science will progress. This has nothing to do with the economic viability of RBE. Feel free to PM me and we can have a much more thorough discussion, instead of trading barbs..

  59. @xxgigphasexx . Yes obviously its all my my inability to see because of my limited math skills and flat earth mentality. It has nothing at all to do with how the Zeitgeist films have been thoroughly debunked many times over by credible skeptic organizations, nor how there are serious economic flaws with RBE and its strong analogs to marxism claims. Thanks for enlightening me.

  60. @xxgigphasexx There are countless sources listing the historical fallacies it makes in the Horus/Christ comparison. The 9/11 conspiracy is beyond strained. And the monetary system, though I sympathize, is not immune from distortion either. As for RBE and communism: RBE removes ownership of the fruits of one's labour and places it into the hands of some collective. Its communism repackaged for a new tech-hungry generation. Its myopic to think automation will ever eliminate trade. Kumbayah

  61. @xxgigphasexx RBE holds that free market and profit are based on scarcity, therefore efficiency and abundance can never be achieved. If that is the case, then how is it that we are communicating via youtube and not carrier pidgeon?

  62. @xxgigphasexx RBE (which demonizes the free market) is credible, because even though technology has been accelerating since the protection of free markets, and directly correlates to an areas economic freedom index, its not as advanced as what an RBE society would allow..
    Great proof!

  63. @xxgigphasexx Just rewatching Zeitgeist Addendum Venus Project. Man alive, is it dishonest. It completely ignores the drastically falling rates of global poverty and merely states their current level as evidence of a failed system. You would think it relevant information what direction things are moving in, and what the state of humanity was prior to free market enterprise.

  64. @xxgigphasexx RBE also assumes the 'transition' period to some ill defined state called 'abundance' is finite. ie. When society reaches level X through automation, it will want not. Peoples desires will be satiated. Trade will be irrelevant once nanotech can build each person a modular home, etc. Bullcaca. Unless people will be fundamentally rewired to stop achieving, we will always trade and resources will always be scarce.

  65. @xxgigphasexx Sorry to question your faith. Im sure its not easy living under such a large corrupt/socialist statist environment that feels compelled to demonize parts of the world that recognize the dignity and importance of free markets. Cheers.

  66. @xxgigphasexx If its any consolation, the only difference between your nation and every other one on earth is a matter of degree, not kind. Do not assume Im some type of statist. And I do share many of the same goals and concerns as TVP, however their encompassing solution is downright anti-human and derivative of earlier communist agrarian discussions 😉

  67. @xxgigphasexx (In case its not obvious to you, Im ignoring ever attack you make on my alleged educational background 😉 Not sure whats more entertaining your repetitive ad-hominems or watching TVP's hijacking of all historical technological progress as somehow antithetical to a free market. Let me save you some trouble, and reply for you as you would: "oo youre a caveman. oo take a trigonometry course. oo TVP is responsible for the creation of the wheel.." You're welcome.

  68. @xxgigphasexx RBE: Saying eliminating currency will eliminate poverty since people need currency to trade for goods and values, is like saying eliminating communication will eliminate arguments. Watching the doc reminds me of my 5th grade teacher telling us G.E has the secret patent for a 50 year light bulb but keeps it hidden to increase sales. Yet somehow in the free market, services go up while prices continue to go down… Sorry.. its basic premise is idiotic.

  69. @xxgigphasexx
    If I say "I dont need skills X,Y,Z" you'll say "thats why you don't accept TVP principles"
    If I say "I have skills X,Y,Z" you'll say "Doesn't show"
    Apparently people with good algorithmic and analytical skills accept RBE as non-ridiculous? Spare me that 'Emporer's new Clothes" style of debate.

  70. @xxgigphasexx I'm still at a loss to understand why you think people who disagree with your zeal for discredited TVP are uneducated buffoons, or lack analytical skills, or lack scientific training, or a technical career, or programming skills.
    The arrogance of youth! Maybe next year you'll be telling everyone to take a biology class when they don't accept your epiphanies on Scientology 😉

  71. @xxgigphasexx You started this conversation by attacking free market principles, then continued to infer about a dozen times that critics of TVP aren't scientifically literate.. Good luck with your attitude.

  72. If she doesn't bring new food on the plate, she certainly raised awareness. I agree with the whole healthier food being cheaper than the junk food.
    But MY GOD she needs to SLOW DOWN. Pause, BREATHE!

  73. I'm sorry, but this girl has obviously been involved with the UN too long. Ten minutes of lecture that tells us nothing new, and ends with a bullet-point list if doubespeak action items and a new non-profit program? Ugh.

  74. Why is everyone complaining that she's talking too fast? I think this is a fantastic speed. Try sitting through one of my biochemistry lectures!

  75. Awesome, it is great to see other young people with a passion for change for the next generations! I am on the same wavelength and working on solutions too. Thanks for an inspiring message and leadership platform!

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